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Wizards of the Coast D&D Dragon Talk Broadcast Notes
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Here are notes from the January 22nd, 2018 interview broadcast at Wizards of the Coast's Dungeons & Dragons, "Dragon Talk" with Greg Tito and Shelly Mazzanoble, interviewing John Welker & Hawke Robinson of RPG Research, Spokane Area Gaming Alliance, & RPG Therapeutics LLC, about role-playing game education, therapy, and more. Currently a work in progress. I am working on it each day in small snippets of time while juggling everything else. I will let folks know when it is ready for sharing.
Here is the recorded video if you missed the show (1:17:12):
Transcript for Deaf, HoH, and Visually impaired screen readers (a work in progress):
Unearthed Arcana articcles from Mearls & Crawford, now available on D&D Beyond week later for download. "Beta testing" D&D ideas.
Zuggatmoi wedding? artwork: Michonid....
Avalon Hill website
Betrayal: Legacy
Betrayal at House on the Hill.
Betrayal at Baldur's Gate.
Organized Play website(s):
Joey from Full House:
Fuller House
Show: Blossom
Theater Play: "Don't Split the Party":
About a group of 25-30 year old adults that played D&D for a long time, and something happened in a session months ago, and DM tricks everyone to show up at the house, and "we're not leaving until we resolve this past issue."
Small black box theater.
Theater & Media representation of role-playing gamers.
Playwright: "Nathan Kessler Jeffrey".
John Welker's organized play site(s):
Zombie Orpheus Entertainment (ZOE):
Website:
youtube:
Twitter:
Dead Gentlement Productions:
Website
Youtube
Twitter:
Did Greg's mother check out the episode? Any questions/comments she has? Did it help?
Greg played D&D with his young daughters, ages
Example adventures of little children & RPG adventures, Michael Tresca articles:
RPG Research LARP program for 2.5 to 5+ year old toddlers, general population and autism spectrum.
See Stuart Brown's book on the biological necessity of play in his book, "Play, how it .... "
More D&D News:
Dragon Plus: ..... Talking to Duck Davison (sp?) of Fantasy Grounds.
Interview of artist of most recent cover of Dragon Plus.
D&D news:
Dice, Camera Action:
Girls, Guts, Glory:
Moira:
D&D Risen:
Furies Fate:
Encounter Role-play:
Will Jones. Teaching how to Dungeon Master.
Get Smart, Cone of Silence. Maxwell Smart.
RPG Research is non-profit 501(c)3 charitable, 100% volunteer run organization.
Pure research focus part of the website:
Community programs:
RPG Therapeutics LLC
Website:
Professional services:
Professional training services:
Professional certification:
Citation: Paper in 2006/08 on number of studies .... (Kesler?):
Correlation versus causality. Definition links:
Correlative claims made about RPGs and/or RPG players, "gamers", the list:
RPG / D&D will...
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Citation of study on analysis of media mentions of RPGs, and rates of neutral, positive, negative:
Claims of RPGs / D&D cause/increasing risk of suicide, or that gamers in general more likely to commit suicide:
Citations: BADD link:
Dr. Tomas Radecki link:
Patricia Pulling link:
60 Minutes video link:
CBC video link:
Newsweek link:
other citations?
Citations about much lower lower suicide correlations for gamers than general population:
Using detractors own numbers:
Other studies:
Examples of those using RPGs in treatment of depression and suicidal depression:
Pychiatrist(s):
Psychologist(s):
Others:
Learned Helplessness definition link:
Meaninglessness definition link:
Play Therapy.
Technique/style
Differentiation from Recreation Therapy
Play therapy more passive observer
Children express through their play rather than words with adults
Recreation therapy more directly involved with client.
llay therapy for pre-verbal stages developmental stages/functioning
Hawke & John's registration numbers as Washington State Department of Health Recreational Therapist:
Hawke's Registration number:
John's Registration number:
Egan, Ghost Busters II, experiment clip:
Study on meaningless & RPG gamers:
College students the most highly researched population (disproportionately so, and this causes problems with the results of research not taking into account the rest of the population that does not have college background).
Research on criminality of RPGers:
Research on violence tendencies and personality types of RPGers:
Research on Trait-based hostility responses to video game violence:
Type A Personality definition link:
Type B Personality definition link:
Research on RPGers & The occult/Satanism:
Causal research definition link:
Controlled edxperiments definition link:
Survey experiments definition link:
Controlled variables research definition link:
Control groups definition link:
Placebos definition link:
etc.
John's introduction to D&D / RPGs. His grandmother. White box set. John was 10 years old, 1977.
D&D White box set:
Mostly GM since then.
RPGA
Living Greyhawke
Wotc Delegate
GenCon Open D&D Judge
Local area coordinator for D&D Adenturere's League in Spokane area.
Personality of John: Prefers to have the whole story and tell the story.
John player a High Elf Bard in Heroes of Mist upcoming show, http://mistheroes.com
Hawke's initial experiences with RPG, D&D.
1983 - 8 page essay, RPGs, the Myths & reality.
The Anti-gaming m
ovement part of the Satanic Panic / Moral Panic of the 1980s :
Realms of Inquiry: A school for gifted & talented children:
response to Shelly's question:
research on Gifted CHildren & RPGs:
Hawke's computer science / tech background:
Hawke's theater background, IMDB link:
Hawke's Automotive background/resume:
Hawke's computer training schools, old snapshot from archive.org
Hawke's philosophy to tech instruction at the time, now fits in line with current neuroscience on learning:
Hawke uses video games to help with typing, computer classes, general classes, ADHD kids, token economy, positive reinforcement for grades, coputer parts, etc.
Hawke is student at Eastern Washington University working part time on interdisciplinary degree in: Recreation Therapy, Music, Neuroscience, & Research Psychology.
Quotations on needing more cooperative activities in TR, in textbooks and articles:
Kids need to cooperate not compete citation link:
Wheelchair basketball photos & links:
Uno cards for TBi links.
ATRA definition of Tr.
Measurabled, achievable goals.
Biopsychosocial holistic approach to TR:
Intrinsic motivation:
Extrinsic motication:
My explanation of TR: "quot....." video: ....
Drum circle workshop links & photos:
TR certification:
NCTRC
CTRS:
ATRA:
AMTA certification:
BC-MT:
Origin stories of TR & MT
Intervention modality...
ZOE video clip on flow state.
Mihalyi Cziksemtmihalyi on Flow:
Hawke's short video clip explaning about Flow state, embeded here:
Malow's Hierarchy of Needs pyramid, and link to explanation:
Enjoyment factor, hard work is now hard fun, more likely to stick to.
More positive attitude means not only better outlook due to sticking to it, but jest negative attitudes versus positive attiudes impact healing, chemically:
Citation:
TBI = Traumatic Brain Injury
Speech Therapy:
Discharge Transition planning, a key part of Tr training.
TR has big advantage of being trained for groups, most professional are single person traifning.
Ranchso Los amigos tage Ii definition:
Newer/other coma coherence stages:
Example program plan for TBI using RPGs from Hawke:
PDF by Hawke:
Program plan by RPG Research:
Video presentation on the above, embed video here:
Neuroplasticity definition link:
Organic brain damage definition link:
Physical Therapy definition link:
Music Therapy definition link:
Program, with videos, using singing portion of brain to regain speech:
Article
Video clip embedded here:
TR RPG Transition / Exit plan examples:
Navos in-patient to out-patient youth drug rehab TR & RPG transition plan
Saint luke's TBI & SCI exit transition plan and RPG examples:
RPGs and Drug rehab & gang culture, new gaming peer group.
Navos Mental Health website link:
RPGs for treating Social phobias, etc:
Social phobia definition:
Agoraphobia definition:
Panic attack definition:
Blog entries on rpg research talking about this.
Phobia exposure techniques: Flooding, and incremental:
Exposure therapy definition:
Incremental:
Flooding approach:
John Welker's Uncle's games:
Research on experiences of Gender bias in the gaming Industry & COmmunity (since 2013):
:@RonTheRBDM The people behind She Kills Monsters was on Dragon Talk! http://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/dd-and-theater-collide-she-kills-monsters
:i did my dissertation on the use of video games as an aid to emotional learning for people with ASD. RPG would also be an excellent cause and effect safe zone teachable area
:Religious intolerance.com has a appologeticly written debunking of all the crazy stuff that people were saying in the 80's and stuff it even shows what kind of crazy stuff these people were saying not relating to RPG's and its very revealing about how crazy those people were in those days.
:I just stumbled across a vid on Youtube this afternoon that implied that Magic Cards are full of evil symbols...surprised to find people that still feel this way...unfortunate
:Yeah that's what I'm saying people that say things like the cards are the devil also say things like watching your laundry in the wash machine will make you a sinner. Its nuts once you look at it.
:TBH if I end up in hell I get to keep DMing and listening to alice cooper.. Not much different to now lol.. I suspect the RPG circle of hell is either having enough DMs but you can never successfully schedule a game, or enough players and no one willing to DM
:TBH if I end up in hell I get to keep DMing and listening to alice cooper.. Not much different to now lol.. I suspect the RPG circle of hell is either having enough DMs but you can never successfully schedule a game, or enough players and no one willing to DM
:I had a very supportive family and friends... we played D&D, Marvel Super Heroes, Top Secret, and Star Frontiers when I was in middle school and high school.
:That hell thing is a whole different discussion, hell in the bible is literally separation from God and not the firey pit some guy wrote a book about back in the day.
:As a player from almost Day 1 of D&D I've seen all the crazy theories about gamers. I weathered it and am happy to see the resurgence of gaming. Still DMing, including streaming, in spite of being a female and *ahem* over the hill.
:This interview is perfectly timed...I just started a course on vampires and wizards as symbols in society...their research is going to be a great resource!
:I grew up in the south and played D&D during the Satanic Panic of the 80's. I remember sermons at church about the evil of D&D and how it was gateway to Satanic worship. Parents however were more understanding.
:im 33, known about DND for 20 odd years, never played. got into Critical Role, got my brother into CR and now we've recently formed a roleplay group in the back room of our local pub. wish I'd got into it at school.
:As an 80s kid my mum only really freaked out about the odd computer game, happily drove me to other adults places where i'd spend the weekend playing D&D.. great times.
:I'm freaking out! Thank you @dnd for having these guys on. There's a charity here in the UK that helps people with all levels of physical disabilities get back into gaming. And I've just shared that with RPG research. I'm so glad you've got these guys!
:@OboeCrazy That's it! My sister is too far away to take my niece to the concerts, but I love what they are doing with their autistic friendly concerts.
:My 10 year old son is autistic, I DM'd a game for him and his younger brother & sister, they loved it and now want a campaign. I'm thinking of using the starter set but thats the campaign we are running at the pub so I cant read the full campaign
:@Slit_518 TL;DR Hawke has been discussing how he uses RPG games to assist all kinds of people, whether they come out of a coma with some brain damage, or are autistic, or have physical limitations, etc. It's really really great, so I would encourage you to go back and catch the whole thing later!
:@Cybearian Pick up storm kings thunder, or out of the abyss.. Either runs well as a campaign and are the better ones.. (Curse of strahd is awesome as well but the other 2 I think would play great for kids)
:@MikeMN2KGod If it ever makes it into a printed book then it's got a good shot.. Or if they ever have a DMsGuild as a +1.. which I don't think will happen for a while.
:Interesting comment! In one of my groups I have a player who gets very upset at descriptions, wants just to battle. Maybe I need to bring in more senses. He might have that problem.
:@Slit_518 That isn't the biggest issue really, the biggest one would be the time for the admins to vet the content there too.. Sure they could treat it like CCC creation but I don't see it really happening
:He is more than that. Got very upset and apparently confused by a description of where doors were, etc. There were only visual clues in my description. I'll try inserting more senses.
:@Ralthan I have a kid friendly/beginner friendly module that I have made, but right now it is in the hands of a company for review, so as it stands, I am not sure if it is to be published or not yet.
:@Slit_518 As for being alone in creating content, if you're creating AL content, join the CCC creators group on facebook maybe? I'm in there for when I get around to start creating content.. as a con organizer always happy to run content as well
:When I was a little child, we still have radio, no TV. You -HAD- to develop imagination, picture things. Today people realyy have lost that ability and I think RPG should be required studies.
:@MtnMama1 Different times too, when I was a kid we had tv, but we got outside, played with figures etc.. Was still a ton of imagination involved.. Agreed it should basically be a course they take if only to teach the life and social skills they learn through it.
:@mewfantasy Try talking to your local library! Libraries tend to be pretty open about setting up after school programs like that...it brings people into the library!
:@SpaceJunkz Im one of the Elite Dangerous community ambassadors and Frontier Developments do a lot of fund raising for SE. Ive met Barry and some of the other folks at the charity.
:@Cybearian Ah! I might have met you at some point! LOVE BARRY! He's an amazing guy! Went to a few events with him that had the ED people there! My name is Georgina! But it was so long ago, if we met it might have been very briefly
:Great job representing the 509 John! Hope to see you on the gaming bus, with both of us living in the greater Spokane area. Or at least @ the Valley mall on Wednesday for gaming @ Uncle's games there. Woot! Woot!
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